Quick Read
- One of the world's most respected risk investors told Sam Parr his S&P 500 bet would deliver nearly nothing for a decade. Parr's two-word response reveals something uncomfortable about how expert forecasts actually function.
- Marks' valuation math may be completely correct and still be the wrong thing to act on, and the reason comes down to a timing mechanic most investors never calculate.
- Whether Marks or Parr wins this argument has nothing to do with who's smarter. It hinges on a single personal number most investors have never bothered to calculate.
- The 23x earnings multiple that worries Marks looks different once you examine what's actually inside the index, and that distinction matters for how seriously you should take the warning.
- Smart investors used warnings just like Marks' to justify sitting out some of the best compounding years on record, and the article shows exactly how that trap springs.
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On a recent episode of My First Million, Sam Parr told his co-host Shaan Puri that he keeps 80% of his portfolio in the S&P 500. That alone would not be remarkable. What makes it interesting is who told him not to. Howard Marks, the Oaktree co-founder whose memos move money around the world, had sat in that same studio in August 2025 and warned that buying the S&P at 23x forward earnings would deliver returns "between -2% and 2%" over the next decade. That warning came in Marks's August 2025 memo, "The Calculus of Value," which cited J.P. Morgan data showing every historical instance of buying the index at a 23x forward multiple produced a ten-year annualized return in that range. Puri pressed Parr on whether he had a real rebuttal or was just ignoring one of the most respected risk minds alive.
Parr's answer: "I don't care."
Since the warning, the index has largely cooperated with Parr, not Marks. The S&P 500 gained roughly 13% in the nine months following Marks's caution, and Parr's portfolio has doubled since he sold The Hustle in February 2021. One wrinkle worth noting: the S&P's forward P/E has since compressed from that worrying 23x to around 20x, as a powerful earnings surge has raised the denominator faster than prices have risen. Q2 2026 earnings are tracking year-over-year growth of roughly 25%, which is a meaningful shift in the valuation picture since Marks published his memo. So is Marks wrong? Or is Parr just early to being wrong?
My verdict: Parr's process beats Marks' forecast, even if Marks' math is right
I've been reading Howard Marks's memos for the better part of two decades, and I've watched smart people use his warnings to justify staying in cash through some of the best compounding years of their lives. That is the trap. Marks is not usually wrong about valuation. He is just operating on a timeline most retail investors cannot sit through without flinching.
The mechanic that matters most is the opportunity cost of waiting. When a famous investor says future returns will be low, the instinct is to reduce exposure. But "low" in Marks's framing means -2% to 2% real returns over ten years, not a crash next Tuesday. The path to that low average usually includes years that look nothing like the average.
Run the numbers on a $100,000 portfolio. If you bought SPDR S&P 500 ETF (NYSEARCA:SPY) on August 1, 2025, at about $622 and held to around $743 as of mid-July 2026, your $100,000 became roughly $119,400 in under a year. If you instead sat in 10-year Treasuries at about 4.4%, you collected closer to $4,400 in coupon income over the same window. That is the gap. The forecast can still be correct over the full decade, and you will have already banked a year of equity gains the bond sitter never collected.
Stretch the lens further. SPY carries a 10-year total return of roughly 258%, and its 20-year price compound annual growth rate sits at about 9.3%. Credentialed voices warned against the index at multiple points inside those windows. Parr's thesis is studying American history and targeting "8% nominal return every single year." That number maps cleanly to a century of equity data. That is pattern recognition, not recklessness.
Since Marks published "The Calculus of Value," he returned to the My First Million studio for a second conversation (Episode 841) in 2026, this time focusing on AI and decision-making under uncertainty. His core view on valuation has not shifted: high prices leave no margin for error. What has shifted is the earnings picture, which has compressed the S&P's forward P/E back toward 20x without a meaningful market decline. That is a different setup than the one Marks warned about, even if his long-range caution still applies.
The variable: what real return do you actually need?
The one factor that decides whether Marks or Parr is right for you is your required real return, after inflation.
Inflation remains elevated. The CPI rose 4.2% year over year through May 2026 before cooling to 3.5% in June as energy prices fell sharply following a ceasefire with Iran. Core inflation, which strips out food and energy, is running at 2.6% annually. All three readings sit above the Fed's 2% target, and Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh has made controlling inflation his primary stated objective since taking office in May 2026. If Marks is correct and the next decade delivers 1% real, a retiree drawing 4% a year is liquidating principal every year. For that person, valuation risk is existential, not theoretical.
For a 35-year-old still contributing, the picture is different. Even at 1% real annual returns, dollar-cost averaging through a flat decade means buying more shares at lower prices, then capturing the eventual mean reversion. Parr is roughly 38 and still earning. The math forgives him.
Parr also made a point worth sitting with: the S&P 500 "is not an American index. It's a global index." Look at the top of SPY. NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) at around 8% of the index, Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) at roughly 7%, Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) at about 5%. These are global cash flow machines wearing American tickers. As Marks himself noted in "The Calculus of Value," these seven companies alone accounted for more than half of the S&P's 58% two-year total return in 2023-24. The 23x multiple Marks warned about was partly the price of that extraordinary earnings quality, and since then the earnings have partly justified the price.
What to actually do with this
- Calculate your required real return. Take your retirement number, subtract current savings, divide by years remaining, and back out inflation. If you need more than 4% real, sitting out equities on someone else's forecast will almost certainly leave you short.
- Stress test against Marks' scenario. Model your portfolio assuming 1% real returns for ten years. If you still reach your goal, valuation worry is noise for your specific situation. If you fall short, the signal is to raise your savings rate, not to try timing the market.
- Write your plan down before the next selloff. The VIX hit 31 on March 27, 2026. Anyone without a written investment plan at that moment probably sold something they later regretted.
Marks may yet be proven right on the decade. The Shiller CAPE currently sits around 39x, still historically elevated even with the recent earnings boom. Parr admits his biggest behavioral bias is refusing to sell losers, and that same stubbornness is what keeps him indexed through volatility. The real lesson from both men: a plan you will actually stick with usually beats the smartest forecast you will second-guess at the first sign of trouble.
Editor's note: This pass updated the SPY price comparison to reflect mid-July 2026 levels (approximately $743), refreshed inflation data to include the June 2026 CPI reading of 3.5% annually with the May peak of 4.2%, noted the S&P 500 forward P/E's compression from 23x to around 20x driven by the 2026 earnings boom, added context about Howard Marks's second appearance on My First Million (Episode 841), and incorporated the Shiller CAPE's current level of approximately 39x as additional valuation context.
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